FRANKEN: OK. Ah, let's talk about the FBI files that you talk about, sort of what was called "Filegate." And you call it the "Purloined FBI Files," and you write about it on page 39.
KLEIN: Mm-hmm [affirmative].
FRANKEN: And later, in a Salon interview, you said, "Like Nixon, Hillary has used FBI files against her enemies."
KLEIN: Mm-hmm [affirmative].
FRANKEN: Now, you know that she was absolved of this by the Office of Independent Counsel.
KLEIN: Well, she may --
FRANKEN: I mean, shouldn't you have written about that? Shouldn't you have given that information to your readers?
KLEIN: It's still my -- it's still my belief and contention that Craig Livingstone was responsible for taking those files, and that he was operating under direct orders from Hillary.
CONASON: Do you know whose files those were? I mean, did you ever look at the names of the people whose files they were?
KLEIN: They were a lot of Republican activists --
CONASON: There were not, actually. They were not. Can -- name one Republican activist whose file was taken. One.
KLEIN: I couldn't do that 'cause I --
CONASON: You couldn't! 'Cause you haven't looked at the names! Did you ever look at the names?
KLEIN: No, I haven't.
CONASON: Okay. Ah, you've never looked at the names, but you know they're a lot of Republican activists. How would you know that if you've never looked at the names?
KLEIN: I've read it in The New York Times and other publications.
CONASON: Oh, no, you didn't. You did not. You did not.
FRANKEN: You know, Ed, the first --
CONASON: Because the people whose names were on that list were former White House employees. Most of them were people like gardeners and janitors and people like that. I've looked at every name on that list --
KLEIN: Former White House employees --
CONASON: That's correct.
KLEIN: in the previous Republican administration.
CONASON: Oh, no. James Carville's name was on that list!
KLEIN: Well, ah, yes, but there [inaudible] --
CONASON: Why was his name on the list?
KLEIN: Many Republican officials on that list, as well.
CONASON: There were --
KLEIN: Are you saying there weren't?
CONASON: No, I'm saying there was no, there were no Republican activists of any note on that list. If you look through that list, it's hundreds of names of people that you had never heard of and that the Republican Party had no significant connection to.
KLEIN: OK --
CONASON: And the fact is that those names were taken by mistake, which is what the Office of Independent Counsel determined, and that Mrs. Clinton never used them for any purpose. And you know what, Ed? If you'd done any reporting, you would know that, but you didn't even look at the list.
KLEIN: No, I haven't seen the list. I --
CONASON: You didn't bother to look at the list!
KLEIN: Well, I didn't look at the list because I wasn't doing a book, Joe, on the list. I was doing a -- that was one paragraph in a 300-page book, and --
CONASON: But, but --
KLEIN: -- it was a summary of what the charges, if you recall --
CONASON: But you --
KLEIN: -- were against her. What about --
FRANKEN: But you've been going on, you've been going on like, like, ah, talking in interviews saying, "Like Nixon, Hillary has used FBI files against her enemies." Now, that's a very serious charge.
KLEIN: How about the, how about the, the, um, Internal Revenue Service --
CONASON: Don't change the subject, Ed.
FRANKEN: Oh, wait a minute. I asked you -- let's address --
KLEIN: Why can't we talk about various --
FRANKEN: Because I want you to --
KLEIN: -- organs of the government?
FRANKEN: I want you to answer --
CONASON: Because he can't answer the question, that's why.
FRANKEN: Because I want you to answer one question at a time. "Like Nixon, Hillary has used FBI files against her enemies." I think that's a very, very serious charge. Would you characterize that as a serious charge?
KLEIN: I certainly would.
FRANKEN: Yeah.
KLEIN: And I would say that there are many publications who have said the exact same thing.
CONASON: Name one that has any, any, any --
KLEIN: The New York Times, for one.
FRANKEN: Said that, no, it never --
KLEIN: The Washington Post, for two.
FRANKEN: Baloney! [...]
FRANKEN:Let's, ah, let's turn to page 188 and Suha Arafat and that hug and Hillary's step-grandfather. Would you like to correct the record on that?
KLEIN: Yeah, one should have gone before the other, and that was a mistake.
FRANKEN: Okay, now, now what was the significance of that mistake, do you think?
KLEIN: Well, I think that Hillary was trying to position herself with the Jewish voters in New York. I think we can all agree on that.
FRANKEN: But what you said was --
CONASON: Unlike every other politician.
KLEIN: Yeah, yeah.
FRANKEN: Well, you said --
KLEIN: But she had a particular problem, which was that she was perceived by many Jewish voters, I think Mr. Conason even would admit to this, as not being sufficiently pro-Israeli -- pro-Israel.
FRANKEN: Well, but what you do is you try to draw a cause and effect. You say that --
KLEIN: I said that that was, in fact, a chronological mistake. She in -- discovered her grandfather, great grandfather or grandfather, step-grandfather, had been partly Jewish --
FRANKEN: Let me read --
KLEIN: And then she went to the Middle East. That's true.
FRANKEN: Let me read you what you wrote. "At the end of Mrs. Arafat's speech, Hillary applauded enthusiastically, then gave Suha Arafat a big hug and kiss."
KLEIN: Is that true?
FRANKEN: The photo -- the photo --
KLEIN: Is that true, Joe?
FRANKEN: Let me read the thing, and, and then you can respond. "The photo of the two women kissing, which played around the world, sewed serious doubts about Hillary in the mind of many Jewish voters. When Hillary realized that she had gotten herself in a jam with Jewish voters, she suddenly turned up a long lost Jewish step-grandfather-an announcement" okay, "that was dismissed by many"--
CONASON: This is such sloppy work.
FRANKEN: Well --
LANPHER: Hang on! I want--
FRANKEN: No, no. But what I'm saying --
LANPHER: -- Ed Klein to respond.
FRANKEN: Yeah, and Ed, but what I'm saying, what I'm saying is, Ed, the, the, the chronology there is there for a reason. You're saying, you're saying that she suddenly discovered this because of the hug.
KLEIN: Yeah, well, we -- this is a chronological mistake in the book, and I've admitted to it.
FRANKEN: Okay.
CONASON: Okay.
FRANKEN: Okay. How about the, ah, LAX thing? The haircut that supposedly held up traffic at LAX.
KLEIN: Mm-hmmm [affirmative].
FRANKEN: Now you know that that's not true, right?
KLEIN: No, I don't know that's not true.
CONASON: Again because you didn't do any reporting. That was, that story was debunked at the time that it came out 12 years ago. You, you, I mean it's just astonishing to me --
KLEIN: What?
CONASON: -- how little work was put into this book --
KLEIN: Well, you know --
CONASON: -- in terms of trying to establish whether any of this stuff that you've written here is true!
KLEIN: So, you're saying, Joe, that the president did not hold up traffic --
CONASON: Yeah.
KLEIN: -- at LAX?
CONASON: I'm saying that not only would I say that, but that's the established fact that's been reported after that story came out in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the FAA made it very clear that not one flight was held up as a result of that.
KLEIN: Well, Joe --
CONASON: And that was established a long time ago.
KLEIN: You and I are reading different, ah, newspapers, I think.
CONASON: No It's, it's not a matter of reading different newspapers; it's a matter of what the Federal Aviation Administration said about this incident. It was debunked at the time.
FRANKEN: Do you want to read -- do you want to hear what the, ah, St. Louis Post-Dispatch said?
KLEIN: Well, if you'd like to read it, that's -- it's your show.
FRANKEN: Well, okay. The story that -- was the planes were kept circling as President Bill Clinton had his hair clipped on Air Force One at Los Angeles Airport. This was 1993, not last month. The haircut by Beverly Hills stylist Christophe became such a metaphor for perceived White House arrogance that the president himself felt compelled to apol...ah, apologize for reported flight delays. But the reports were wrong. According to the FAA (Federal Aviation Administration), records obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, the haircut May 18th caused no significant delays of regular scheduled passenger flights, no circling planes, no traffic jams on runways. Commuter airlines that fly routes routinely affected by the President's haircut confirmed that they had no record of delays, etc. etc. etc.
CONASON: What's peculiar to me is, you don't seem to care whether you get these things right or not.
KLEIN: What's peculiar to me, Mr. Conason, is that you're still stuck back in 1993 instead 2005. This book is --
CONASON: No, you were, you were writing about something that happened in 1993.
KLEIN: Yeah, but this book is about whether Hillary Clinton is qualified by virtue of her character --
CONASON: You mean whether you --
KLEIN: -- to be President of the United States.
LANPHER: Well, let me ask you a question, Edward Klein, and that is, when you have so many errors that accumulate, why should we take your interpretation seriously?
KLEIN: Well, but I dispute that there are so many errors accumulating.
CONASON: Well, let's ask about another one. There's a woman you name in this book named Nancy Pietrafesa--
KLEIN: Mm-hmmm [affirmative].
CONASON: Who you say was rumored to be Hillary's lesbian lover.
KLEIN: Mm-hmmm [affirmative]. That's true.
CONASON: Now there are two things about that -- well, I don't know if it's true or not.
FRANKEN: That's true, that she was rumored?
KLEIN: There were rumors, yes.
CONASON: Yeah, those are great journalistic standards. But you misspell her name throughout the book, did you know that?
KLEIN: Well, do you know that three other authors have also misspelled her name?
CONASON: Yes, I figured they must have because that's where you got it from.
KLEIN: Yeah, well, I certainly didn't get it from the three, the other two who spelt it differently than I did.
CONASON: You, you, you got it --
KLEIN: But her name appears in Gail Sheehy's book --
CONASON: Right.
KLEIN: -- on Hillary--
CONASON: On Hillary. Is that where you got it?
KLEIN: It appears in, um --
CONASON: Is that where you got it?
KLEIN: Roger Morris's book.
CONASON: Right. Is that where you got it?
KLEIN: And it also appears in David Maraniss's book.
CONASON: So you're a terrible reporter, but a good stenographer.